tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4459360717297142573.post4826146145239941860..comments2024-03-27T20:44:56.139+11:00Comments on chessexpress: Do chessplayers behave this way?Shaun Presshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00897215011002594039noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4459360717297142573.post-37548504509233479642009-01-29T13:51:00.000+11:002009-01-29T13:51:00.000+11:00I simply stated very truthfully exactly what happe...I simply stated very truthfully exactly what happened. If that means I had a go at him, then it was a fair go. <BR/><BR/>If Garvin disagrees with any aspect of my account, he reads here regularly and can state his position.<BR/><BR/>At the time of this tournament Garvin's actions had a very distressing effect on me, as you could well imagine. I am therefore fully entitled to raise the subject.<BR/><BR/>His decision was overturned by the way, and Ian Murray - the much more experienced chess official - had to tell Garvin that he cannot simply disregard the rules of chess and swiss pairing at a whim whenever he feels like it.<BR/><BR/>Best Regards,<BR/><BR/>AlexOzChess.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10361186495327083764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4459360717297142573.post-38843228736604980172009-01-28T21:02:00.000+11:002009-01-28T21:02:00.000+11:00I don't feel the need to enter any examples, espec...I don't feel the need to enter any examples, especially naming names, that doesn't sit with me as being fair and nice. Especially as you seem to have grasped the notion well it appears to me that you just used this opportunity to have a go at the person you named. And if inept gets my goat, you don't want to see what vindictive does for me. :)Phil Bourkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01984479449044393181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4459360717297142573.post-81495010746764344152009-01-28T12:54:00.000+11:002009-01-28T12:54:00.000+11:00Phil,Could you please give me an example of inept ...Phil,<BR/><BR/>Could you please give me an example of inept officiating?<BR/><BR/>The worst example of poor chess officiating that I have ever came across was Garvin Gray's. I had paid and pre-registered for a tournament, turned up about 5 to 10 minutes late for round 1, and not only had Garvin not paired me (I was second seed) - he didn't even give me a half point bye!<BR/><BR/>I complained to Ian Murray who at the time was on the CAQ and he gave Garvin Gray some on the job training - as his decision was just totally ridiculous.<BR/><BR/>Is this the type of thing you are referring to?<BR/><BR/>AlexOzChess.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10361186495327083764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4459360717297142573.post-89066267012072706602009-01-28T12:01:00.000+11:002009-01-28T12:01:00.000+11:00It is strange that petulant displays such as this ...It is strange that petulant displays such as this cause me less distress than inefficient arbiters/referees/stewards do. I can understand how a player can be peeved at their mistakes, been there, done that, but inept officiating, that really pees me off! And don't give me excuses about it either, if you can't stand the heat in the kitchen, find someone who can because having an inept official will do more harm than having no official at all.Phil Bourkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01984479449044393181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4459360717297142573.post-72021697321230994092009-01-27T21:27:00.000+11:002009-01-27T21:27:00.000+11:00I have been to a chess tournament where a 2100 rat...I have been to a chess tournament where a 2100 rated player lost his second game of the day (the first was to yours truly, rated only 1500 at the time). He was so irate after the game he swiped all the pieces onto the floor and stormed out. His girlfriend said she had never seen him so angry.OzChess.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10361186495327083764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4459360717297142573.post-89377875639124306472009-01-27T13:04:00.000+11:002009-01-27T13:04:00.000+11:00Against the run of play for the web, I'll admit, b...Against the run of play for the web, I'll admit, but I read the article, not just the headline. :-)<BR/><BR/>Note to self: I need to use less parentheses in comments on Shaun's blog. Apologies to anybody going cross-eyed trying to parse my earlier comment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4459360717297142573.post-42306623456715010052009-01-27T12:53:00.000+11:002009-01-27T12:53:00.000+11:00I am being flippant with the headline, as I suspec...I am being flippant with the headline, as I suspect we have all seen or head of similar behavior by chess tournaments. In fact in Canberra there was a celebrated case of a player upending a table (that he was playing on) and storming out of the chess club.<BR/>In fairness to wargamers I should add that the player at yesterdays tournament had been a chess player in his youth (although he stopped playing as a junior, some 20 years ago).Shaun Presshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00897215011002594039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4459360717297142573.post-7664332994366002222009-01-27T12:34:00.000+11:002009-01-27T12:34:00.000+11:00It's all a matter of perspective, isn't it? Many o...It's all a matter of perspective, isn't it? Many of those things that you mention needing explaining in detail are things I've had to explain a number of times (even when it really didn't matter) to chess players.<BR/><BR/>As arbiter, I've also had to deal with forfeiting and/or removing various players for spilling beer on a chessboard (whilst drunk), offensive odors and generally unsociable behaviour. I've also had some pretty cool decisions appealed (always been upheld, as far as I remember, at least on the big ones) and been on appeals committees for some tricky cases. As a player, I've seen (possibly) worse (and been somewhat pissed at the arbiters for not being effective). I'm sure, if you think back, you've had similar experiences, Shaun. Fortunately (hopefully) the bad comes along with the good, so isn't the defining aspect of the experiences. It's just part of "the deal" (says the philosophical guy who stopped doing this because he got sick of all the crap stuff).<BR/><BR/>Gaming conventions are interesting, as you noticed. The rules are often way more complicated than chess, leading to a real separation of classes: those who are still feeling their way and need the game master's or umpires help a lot and those who know things backwards (in the latter case, things usually run a lot smoother than your average chess tournament).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com